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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;How Joe the Plumber and Google saved News&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Moreno</title>
		<link>http://newsinnovation.com/2008/10/29/how-joe-the-plumber-and-google-saved-news/comment-page-1/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, it is tough to measure how legit things are online but you can usually tell god things from everyone talking about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, it is tough to measure how legit things are online but you can usually tell god things from everyone talking about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Kramer</title>
		<link>http://newsinnovation.com/2008/10/29/how-joe-the-plumber-and-google-saved-news/comment-page-1/#comment-1280</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing Dave Chase,  MinnPost.com is averaging more than $15 CPM, and that&#039;s because we provide local advertisers with a quality audience, a quality site (not cluttered with commodity and/or intrusive advertising)and quality journalism. Even with our rates, we could not provide high-quality journalism without substantial support from donors to our nonprofit enterprise.  If Google is the answer, with $1 CPM or less, there IS no future for content that costs real money to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing Dave Chase,  MinnPost.com is averaging more than $15 CPM, and that&#8217;s because we provide local advertisers with a quality audience, a quality site (not cluttered with commodity and/or intrusive advertising)and quality journalism. Even with our rates, we could not provide high-quality journalism without substantial support from donors to our nonprofit enterprise.  If Google is the answer, with $1 CPM or less, there IS no future for content that costs real money to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Waghorn</title>
		<link>http://newsinnovation.com/2008/10/29/how-joe-the-plumber-and-google-saved-news/comment-page-1/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Waghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Next steps for news</title>
		<link>http://newsinnovation.com/2008/10/29/how-joe-the-plumber-and-google-saved-news/comment-page-1/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzMachine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Next steps for news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and more important stop: revenue. Fred Wilson, leading the discussion, summed up its discovery in a tweet: &#8220;clickable will [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and more important stop: revenue. Fred Wilson, leading the discussion, summed up its discovery in a tweet: &#8220;clickable will [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Chase</title>
		<link>http://newsinnovation.com/2008/10/29/how-joe-the-plumber-and-google-saved-news/comment-page-1/#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I know the local space best, let me make an observation about it. As we saw at the summit, the spirit of experimentation, testing &amp; innovation is great on the production/cost side. I don&#039;t see 10% of the level of innovation on the revenue side. 

At NextNewsNet/SunValleyOnline, I joke that our motto is &quot;we make mistakes faster than anyone else...&quot; (just don&#039;t repeat them). While we are also trying to be innovators on the production side, I&#039;m 100% convinced that addressing revenue will be the only way to the promised land. 

One example relates to the obstacle mentioned above around Measurement. We just completed a research project that fit into a bootstrapped startup&#039;s budget. What we believe is that local sites have done a horrendous job of quantifying the value of their audience to advertisers (e.g., we now can tell our advertisers that there $x of opportunity in the next 12 months in their category just amongst our users). Next week will be critical for us as we take that to advertisers and see how that affects their buying behavior. My gut tells me that they&#039;ll find it compelling but if we&#039;re wrong, we&#039;ll course correct as needed.

A word about AdSense and mass ad networks. I have great respect for what Google has built but there&#039;s no way I&#039;d put that stuff on our sites. The biggest reason is money. Why would I put something up where I get $0.50-$1.00 CPMs when I&#039;m successfully selling at $35-40 CPMs (actually higher on our e-newsletters). Secondly, I think it hurts the site aesthetic. We don&#039;t want to be like most overly cluttered local news sites. We are selling to authentic, local businesses and having the text dense or schlocky ads that are on most ad networks hurts our ability to sell $40 CPMs. To me, it&#039;s criminal that local sites are undervaluing their audiences by taking the low-ball CPMs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I know the local space best, let me make an observation about it. As we saw at the summit, the spirit of experimentation, testing &amp; innovation is great on the production/cost side. I don&#8217;t see 10% of the level of innovation on the revenue side. </p>
<p>At NextNewsNet/SunValleyOnline, I joke that our motto is &#8220;we make mistakes faster than anyone else&#8230;&#8221; (just don&#8217;t repeat them). While we are also trying to be innovators on the production side, I&#8217;m 100% convinced that addressing revenue will be the only way to the promised land. </p>
<p>One example relates to the obstacle mentioned above around Measurement. We just completed a research project that fit into a bootstrapped startup&#8217;s budget. What we believe is that local sites have done a horrendous job of quantifying the value of their audience to advertisers (e.g., we now can tell our advertisers that there $x of opportunity in the next 12 months in their category just amongst our users). Next week will be critical for us as we take that to advertisers and see how that affects their buying behavior. My gut tells me that they&#8217;ll find it compelling but if we&#8217;re wrong, we&#8217;ll course correct as needed.</p>
<p>A word about AdSense and mass ad networks. I have great respect for what Google has built but there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;d put that stuff on our sites. The biggest reason is money. Why would I put something up where I get $0.50-$1.00 CPMs when I&#8217;m successfully selling at $35-40 CPMs (actually higher on our e-newsletters). Secondly, I think it hurts the site aesthetic. We don&#8217;t want to be like most overly cluttered local news sites. We are selling to authentic, local businesses and having the text dense or schlocky ads that are on most ad networks hurts our ability to sell $40 CPMs. To me, it&#8217;s criminal that local sites are undervaluing their audiences by taking the low-ball CPMs.</p>
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